0 false 2009-07-14T07:14:26-05:00 35715 235 modular-support-for-playing-back-h264-content-on-sites-other-than-youtube 125927 24342 accepted feature featurerequest 2009-10-07T18:44:52-05:00 48093 ssp Nathan de Vries http://rentzsch.lighthouseapp.com/projects/24342/tickets/235 I briefly spoke to Simone Manganelli about this feature request, however I thought I should present my idea here so others can comment on whether they would find it useful. In short, it would be great if playback of H.264 content worked for sites other than YouTube. At the moment, YouTube support is working perfectly but the codebase will require major changes to allow for other sites to be added. VLC has come up with a novel solution to this problem with their "playlist scripts", which allows people to write Lua scripts that do the work of resolving a URL into a downloadable media URL. Each Lua script contains two methods, probe() and parse(). The probe() method returns true or false depending on whether it is capable of handling the given URL, and the parse() method returns a dictionary containing a URL to the media file (among other things). You can find out the full details of how this works by checking out the [VLC documentation](http://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:Play_HowTo/Building_Lua_Playlist_Scripts). Regardless of whether Lua (using LuaCore?) is used or not, I propose the following changes: * Option "Load H.264 videos from Youtube" changes to "Load H.264 videos if available" * New option called "Use HD H.264 videos if available" * Define a protocol with a similar API to VLC's probe/parse API. It would make the webview, container, host, baseURL, attributes and src available. * Rip out the Youtube functionality and rewrite it using the new protocol. * Add support for a couple of other sites, like Vimeo & Google Video. Thoughts? I briefly spoke to Simone Manganelli about this feature request, however I thought I should present my idea here so others can comment on whether they would find it useful. In short, it would be great if playback of H.264 content worked for sites other than YouTube. At the moment, YouTube support is working perfectly but the codebase will require major changes to allow for other sites to be added. VLC has come up with a novel solution to this problem with their "playlist scripts", which allows people to write Lua scripts that do the work of resolving a URL into a downloadable media URL. Each Lua script contains two methods, probe() and parse(). The probe() method returns true or false depending on whether it is capable of handling the given URL, and the parse() method returns a dictionary containing a URL to the media file (among other things). You can find out the full details of how this works by checking out the [VLC documentation](http://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:Play_HowTo/Building_Lua_Playlist_Scripts). Regardless of whether Lua (using LuaCore?) is used or not, I propose the following changes: * Option "Load H.264 videos from Youtube" changes to "Load H.264 videos if available" * New option called "Use HD H.264 videos if available" * Define a protocol with a similar API to VLC's probe/parse API. It would make the webview, container, host, baseURL, attributes and src available. * Rip out the Youtube functionality and rewrite it using the new protocol. * Add support for a couple of other sites, like Vimeo & Google Video. Thoughts? <div><p>I briefly spoke to Simone Manganelli about this feature request, however I thought I should present my idea here so others can comment on whether they would find it useful.</p> <p>In short, it would be great if playback of H.264 content worked for sites other than YouTube.</p> <p>At the moment, YouTube support is working perfectly but the codebase will require major changes to allow for other sites to be added.</p> <p>VLC has come up with a novel solution to this problem with their "playlist scripts", which allows people to write Lua scripts that do the work of resolving a URL into a downloadable media URL. Each Lua script contains two methods, probe() and parse(). The probe() method returns true or false depending on whether it is capable of handling the given URL, and the parse() method returns a dictionary containing a URL to the media file (among other things). You can find out the full details of how this works by checking out the <a href="http://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:Play_HowTo/Building_Lua_Playlist_Scripts"> VLC documentation</a>.</p> <p>Regardless of whether Lua (using LuaCore?) is used or not, I propose the following changes:</p> <ul> <li>Option "Load H.264 videos from Youtube" changes to "Load H.264 videos if available"</li> <li>New option called "Use HD H.264 videos if available"</li> <li>Define a protocol with a similar API to VLC's probe/parse API. It would make the webview, container, host, baseURL, attributes and src available.</li> <li>Rip out the Youtube functionality and rewrite it using the new protocol.</li> <li>Add support for a couple of other sites, like Vimeo &amp; Google Video.</li> </ul> <p>Thoughts?</p></div> 0 I briefly spoke to Simone Manganelli about this feature request, however I thought I should present my idea here so others can comment on whether they would find it useful. In short, it would be great if playback of H.264 content worked for sites other than YouTube. At the moment, YouTube support is working perfectly but the codebase will require major changes to allow for other sites to be added. VLC has come up with a novel solution to this problem with their "playlist scripts", which allows people to write Lua scripts that do the work of resolving a URL into a downloadable media URL. Each Lua script contains two methods, probe() and parse(). The probe() method returns true or false depending on whether it is capable of handling the given URL, and the parse() method returns a dictionary containing a URL to the media file (among other things). You can find out the full details of how this works by checking out the [VLC documentation](http://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:Play_HowTo/Building_Lua_Playlist_Scripts). Regardless of whether Lua (using LuaCore?) is used or not, I propose the following changes: * Option "Load H.264 videos from Youtube" changes to "Load H.264 videos if available" * New option called "Use HD H.264 videos if available" * Define a protocol with a similar API to VLC's probe/parse API. It would make the webview, container, host, baseURL, attributes and src available. * Rip out the Youtube functionality and rewrite it using the new protocol. * Add support for a couple of other sites, like Vimeo & Google Video. Thoughts? <div><p>I briefly spoke to Simone Manganelli about this feature request, however I thought I should present my idea here so others can comment on whether they would find it useful.</p> <p>In short, it would be great if playback of H.264 content worked for sites other than YouTube.</p> <p>At the moment, YouTube support is working perfectly but the codebase will require major changes to allow for other sites to be added.</p> <p>VLC has come up with a novel solution to this problem with their "playlist scripts", which allows people to write Lua scripts that do the work of resolving a URL into a downloadable media URL. Each Lua script contains two methods, probe() and parse(). The probe() method returns true or false depending on whether it is capable of handling the given URL, and the parse() method returns a dictionary containing a URL to the media file (among other things). You can find out the full details of how this works by checking out the <a href= "http://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:Play_HowTo/Building_Lua_Playlist_Scripts"> VLC documentation</a>.</p> <p>Regardless of whether Lua (using LuaCore?) is used or not, I propose the following changes:</p> <ul> <li>Option "Load H.264 videos from Youtube" changes to "Load H.264 videos if available"</li> <li>New option called "Use HD H.264 videos if available"</li> <li>Define a protocol with a similar API to VLC's probe/parse API. It would make the webview, container, host, baseURL, attributes and src available.</li> <li>Rip out the Youtube functionality and rewrite it using the new protocol.</li> <li>Add support for a couple of other sites, like Vimeo &amp; Google Video.</li> </ul> <p>Thoughts?</p></div> false 2009-07-14T07:14:26-05:00 35715 --- {} 235 modular-support-for-playing-back-h264-content-on-sites-other-than-youtube 0 24342 new feature featurerequest 2009-07-14T07:14:33-05:00 35715 Nathan de Vries Nathan de Vries http://rentzsch.lighthouseapp.com/projects/24342/tickets/235 0 This is a wonderful idea and I hope it gets implemented. <div><p>This is a wonderful idea and I hope it gets implemented.</p></div> false 2009-07-15T05:59:17-05:00 35715 --- {} 235 modular-support-for-playing-back-h264-content-on-sites-other-than-youtube 0 24342 new feature featurerequest 2009-07-15T05:59:21-05:00 25435 halbtuerke Nathan de Vries http://rentzsch.lighthouseapp.com/projects/24342/tickets/235 0 false 2009-07-16T11:57:31-05:00 35715 --- :state: new 235 modular-support-for-playing-back-h264-content-on-sites-other-than-youtube 0 24342 open feature featurerequest 2009-07-16T11:57:32-05:00 45213 rentzsch Nathan de Vries http://rentzsch.lighthouseapp.com/projects/24342/tickets/235 0 This is a cool suggestion. It would be *really* cool if we could simply use VLC's existing mechanism (so that we could support their existing scripts), but I'm really not qualified to answer whether that would be feasible or not, or whether it's a good idea. <div><p>This is a cool suggestion. It would be <em>really</em> cool if we could simply use VLC's existing mechanism (so that we could support their existing scripts), but I'm really not qualified to answer whether that would be feasible or not, or whether it's a good idea.</p></div> false 2009-07-17T02:50:55-05:00 35715 --- {} 235 modular-support-for-playing-back-h264-content-on-sites-other-than-youtube 0 24342 open feature featurerequest 2009-07-17T02:50:58-05:00 47272 simX Nathan de Vries http://rentzsch.lighthouseapp.com/projects/24342/tickets/235 0 I don't think it's possible to use the VLC scripts as anything more than inspiration, because VLC supports playing more than H.264 videos and they're fine with the Lua scripts resolving to a Sorenson Spark FLV file (for example). That being said, if VLC is installed it might be OK to use that for playback? <div><p>I don't think it's possible to use the VLC scripts as anything more than inspiration, because VLC supports playing more than H.264 videos and they're fine with the Lua scripts resolving to a Sorenson Spark FLV file (for example). That being said, if VLC is installed it might be OK to use that for playback?</p></div> false 2009-07-17T03:02:43-05:00 35715 --- {} 235 modular-support-for-playing-back-h264-content-on-sites-other-than-youtube 0 24342 open feature featurerequest 2009-07-17T03:02:46-05:00 35715 Nathan de Vries Nathan de Vries http://rentzsch.lighthouseapp.com/projects/24342/tickets/235 0 [state:"accepted" bulk edit command] <div><p>[state:"accepted" bulk edit command]</p></div> false 2009-07-18T18:46:21-05:00 35715 --- :state: open 235 modular-support-for-playing-back-h264-content-on-sites-other-than-youtube 0 24342 accepted feature featurerequest 2009-07-18T18:46:21-05:00 45213 rentzsch Nathan de Vries http://rentzsch.lighthouseapp.com/projects/24342/tickets/235 0 Suggested implementation of this feature: http://homepage.mac.com/simx/technonova/software_development/clicktoflash_killers.html . Please comment here in the ticket or in a comment on my weblog. <div><p>Suggested implementation of this feature: <a href= "http://homepage.mac.com/simx/technonova/software_development/clicktoflash_killers.html"> http://homepage.mac.com/simx/technonova/software_development/clickt...</a> . Please comment here in the ticket or in a comment on my weblog.</p></div> false 2009-10-02T04:41:18-05:00 35715 --- {} 235 modular-support-for-playing-back-h264-content-on-sites-other-than-youtube 0 24342 accepted feature featurerequest 2009-10-02T04:41:20-05:00 47272 simX Nathan de Vries http://rentzsch.lighthouseapp.com/projects/24342/tickets/235 0 As discussed chez simX I tried to clean up the code to support a more modular system with support for YouTube and Vimeo (and siFR) implemented at the moment. The question is whether this hits the sweet spot between fleshed out enough and simple to implement already. simX thinks that an interface based on property lists is preferable. So someone who's interested in that needs to implement it. Doing so should be much easier after the cleanup than it was before. A few tests suggest that with Perian installed even going the FLV route should be feasible. And it seems (also part of my current implementation) that a simple query to QTKit lets us figure out whether QT can play the format or not. <div><p>As discussed chez simX I tried to clean up the code to support a more modular system with support for YouTube and Vimeo (and siFR) implemented at the moment.</p> <p>The question is whether this hits the sweet spot between fleshed out enough and simple to implement already.</p> <p>simX thinks that an interface based on property lists is preferable. So someone who's interested in that needs to implement it. Doing so should be much easier after the cleanup than it was before.</p> <p>A few tests suggest that with Perian installed even going the FLV route should be feasible. And it seems (also part of my current implementation) that a simple query to QTKit lets us figure out whether QT can play the format or not.</p></div> false 2009-10-07T18:44:49-05:00 35715 --- {} 235 modular-support-for-playing-back-h264-content-on-sites-other-than-youtube 0 24342 accepted feature featurerequest 2009-10-07T18:44:52-05:00 48093 ssp Nathan de Vries http://rentzsch.lighthouseapp.com/projects/24342/tickets/235